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Five reasons why Carnethy is not a proper hill race

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This was my first Carnethy, and I wonder why it has taken me so long. I guess getting an entry in the first place has played a part, so special thanks go to JD for saving me the need to get up at 4am (New Zealand time). Whatever it is, something makes this hill race so popular that 500 places go in a matter of minutes. Maybe it's just the time of year.

The course is not especially demanding -- 9km of tourist path in the Pentlands. No waist-deep bogs, no rocky descents that will rip you apart at the first slip, no scrambling up the final climbs. Perhaps that appeals to some. The start is either a bus ride or a leisurely 4km jog from the event base at Beeslack High School. The buses arrive in plenty of time, giving us an opportunity to chill out in the gentle breeze. Brian B officially confirmed it was "chilly", which made me feel slightly better as I piled on every layer of clothing in my kit. It's great to catch up with so many folk I've not seen for weeks -- no shortage of yellow Westies vests, although the fabled marquee failed to materialise.

The start is as advertised, a cavalry charge across the paddock to the first hill. I gain a few places by taking the short route through the puddles, and predictably lose them again on the first hill. The ground is mostly frozen solid with a thin top layer of mud, which makes for a jarring run for most of the course. It helps during the climbs, but the descents are unpredictable and slippery at times. I glimpse the occasional familiar face during the race. Keith catches me at the base of Carnethy, and promptly disappears into the distance. Val tries a similar trick off the descent, but I return the favour on the home straight. Having predicted a time of 1:30, I'm delighted to come in at 1:21. My quads don't know what has hit them, but otherwise I'm feeling fine. Somehow, I miss the usual feeling of being shattered at the end of a race. Things are further amiss when I get back to the school, with actual hot water in the showers (!). Still, for all the pandering and gentle effort, I enjoyed the outing. Congrats to all who took part!

Westies places and times:

  • 29 0:56:31 Manuel Gorman
  • 61 1:01:23 Cameron Burt
  • 73 1:02:17 Chris Upson
  • 77 1:02:45 Alan Gilkison
  • 89 1:04:13 Luke Arnott
  • 142 1:08:01 Graham Kelly
  • 162 1:09:32 Robert Taylor (EUMC/Westies)
  • 185 1:11:16 David Rogers
  • 198 1:12:00 Johnston Orr
  • 220 1:13:15 Jacques Penderis
  • 244 1:15:04 Murdo MacLeod
  • 249 1:15:19 John Donnelly
  • 264 1:15:50 Brian Brennan
  • 315 1:19:30 Keith Adams
  • 343 1:21:20 John Hamer
  • 346 1:21:32 Val Brunton
  • 350 1:21:54 Peter Baxter
  • 354 1:22:12 Ian Thurlbeck (joined 2 days before the race!)
  • 385 1:25:27 Pauline McAdam
  • 416 1:28:35 Helen Macpherson
  • 451 1:31:43 Stephanie Mackie
  • 475 1:37:17 Brenda Paul
  • 495 1:42:40 Patricia McLaughlin

Posted by John Hamer on Sun 12 Feb 2012 | 15 comments

Category Hill Race

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  1. Dave said...

    I thoroughly enjoyed your nicely understated report John; made me chuckle and resolve to put Carnethy on my long list of races I must do when I return.

    Is it just me.... I can't find the 5th reason for it not being a proper hill race, though? Nice to see the usual strong Westies contingent. However can you please clarify; are you inferring that the participants are not proper hill runners? Be careful now, your answer might just cause a stooshie!

    Monday 13th February 2012 4.51am

  2. Muffy said...

    I have studied johns article carefully, I am sure there is no hint that the runners themselves might be deficient in any way (though I was disappointed to read no comment on the new figure hugging vests). I conclude the five no nos of hill running: lack of bog, rocks going down, rocks going up; surfeit of buses, hot showers.

    Monday 13th February 2012 7.28am

  3. Grim armchair-hillrunner said...

    Now then, now then...only one Westy under the hour mark - is that a first? Even ex-Westy Ronnie Gallagher's time was just over the hour. Are we getting older? (NO!!) or are we failing to persuade our young lads like Niall and John Denovan to risk their ankles in crazy descents?
    Note that Bill Gauld finished, maybe first M70? and the race was won by a Boggie in a fast time (47mins+).

    Monday 13th February 2012 8.50am

  4. John Hamer said...

    Absolutely, no deficiency implied, Dave. You'll need to find a better excuse than that for a stooshie!

    For the tally, Muffy, I can't claim to have been counting carefully. Hot showers can count for two, and you missed the absence of feeling like death warmed up at the finish. Rocks are a half in each direction. Add (or subtract) the absence of any Calders to make up the difference :-)

    Monday 13th February 2012 8.27pm

  5. Chris said...

    Personally I'd be struggling to think of any reason why Carnethy is not a proper hill race. In fact in all but name, it forms the Scottish National Hill Running Championship.

    The quality of the field this year surpassed anything seen in Scotland before, other than at British championship races. And combined with the largest ever field ensured that I recorded my lowest ever finish in a hill race, coming home in 73rd place, despite feeling like I'd had a reasonable run.

    Well done to the Westerlands men and women's teams who both finished in 7th place!

    Monday 13th February 2012 8.29pm

  6. Johnston said...

    I hadn't run or even walked up a hill since the Tinto HR in early November but still put in a PB by 1min40s and claimed my best placing yet.

    It was a pretty even effort all the way round although I probably could have raced a bit more aggressively on the way along to Scald Law where I got levered down the line a bit. Felt OK with a fair amount of endurance training in the bag, and was heartened to see Dave Rogers sliding back through the field towards me on the way up to Carnethy's summit. Unfortunately I didn't pass him until we were almost at the cairn, so he easily nipped ahead again and took several more places on the descent as the rest of us just held station.

    Chuffed with my result this year and hope to get more good training in after the Nationals this coming weekend.

    Monday 13th February 2012 8.29pm

  7. Johnston said...

    PS Bloody well done to everyone for turning up!!! We bagged 21 entries (so around 20% of the club was active at this race) and ended up with 23 finishers. (I've added comments to John's listing above to indicate how that happened.) Keep up the good work folks!

    Monday 13th February 2012 8.32pm

  8. Pauline said...

    Congrats to Pat, another LV 60 prize and I think the only W trophy winner.

    Monday 13th February 2012 9.17pm

  9. Cam said...

    Perhaps the scale of the race in terms of organisation and the mad rush to sign up online (a race in itself) at 5pm makes it feel unlike other Scottish hill races.

    I had a great day out and enjoyed a steady, even paced run. The run along the ridge that connects South Black Hill and the Kips had me tooing and frowing with Alan. Then on the decent to The Howe Chris started to come into view and I finally caught him in the v gully on the side of Carnethy. I was enjoying a lot of support at this point but soon realised it was because Cameron Murray of Carnethy was running by me too. Nonetheless, any support helps!

    Monday 13th February 2012 10.05pm

  10. berglaufman said...

    Chris,

    it was a quality field, but looking back to late 80s and early 90s the quality was much higher...your 62.17 would have place you 147th in 1988! and you would have also been outside the top 100 in 87, 89, 93, 95 and 2003....so standards (amongst the men at least) are slipping.
    OK the 80s and 90s you would have come down the scree, but the strength in depth was undoubtedly higher in the mens field back then.

    Tuesday 14th February 2012 3.42pm

  11. Manny said...

    New figure hugging vests Muffy? Baxter's been wearing one of those for 20 years now - it's the same one he used in the 80's when it was loose fitting.
    A great day out and good to see everyone who entered actually turned up.
    Nice to see Luke there peforming quite well considering 4 years off, and now back in central belt, so hopefully get back into the fold with some training and hills very soon.
    I didn't quite hit the mark, was hoping for sub 55 in such good conditions but unfortunately constant very late nights and illness during the preceeding week took its toll.
    Well done to Pat once more at Carnethy for a V60 success.
    Results v performance - yes Berglaufman is absolutely correct - the same thing is clear from Ben Nevis results over the years, the quality of male runners has dropped dramatically over the last 20 years.
    The very late 3 buses to the start left no room for a proper warm up, but also no time to get nervous!

    Tuesday 14th February 2012 8.20pm

  12. Dave said...

    Agreed Manny. And Big Al and the unreformed Brian Brennan also both used to cut dashing figures in their figure hugging Westies tops!

    Also, on the other topic, I think I'm right in saying that in the not-so-distant past we have had 30+ runners in Carnethy. So 23 is a good turnout, but certainly not exceptional for the best small-to-medium sized hill running club in the west end of Glasgow!

    Finally, just noticed that my best time for Carnethy would have been good enough for me to be breathing down the neck of Manny... therefore, considering that some folks don't consider me a REAL hillrunner then that could be the 5th reason why Carnethy is not a REAL hill race :)

    Roll on the Whangie Whizz!!!!!

    Wednesday 15th February 2012 5.22am

  13. Don said...

    Dave, unofficially there was 24 westies running. Westies newby Ewan Dytch almost scalped capt Chris with a time just over 1:02:?? running under an assumed name for a runner who withdrew at the last minute.

    Wednesday 15th February 2012 12.48pm

  14. Johnston said...

    On the subject of turnout, perhaps there are slightly fewer Westies running the race now because it sells out in one hour? Makes it kinda difficult for some to get an entry.

    Wednesday 15th February 2012 2.11pm

  15. Dave said...

    Good point Johnston, if it was a REAL hill race there would be none of this frantic online entry nonsense... you would just have to turn up on the day!

    Wednesday 15th February 2012 11.56pm

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